OA369: Humanist Invocations & LED ZEPPELIN

Today’s episode features two deep dives: first, we have an interview with David Williamson of the Central Florida Freethought Community to discuss their successful (!) five-year lawsuit to permit humanist, atheist & non-clergy invocations before the Brevard County council meetings. Find out how this case developed and learn some strategies for successful grass-roots activism even in the age of Trump!

We also take one more deep dive into the amazing Spirit/Led Zeppelin lawsuit, this time taking a look at the recent en banc decision by the full 9th Circuit that reverses the earlier panel opinion (and is a win for Led Zep). The 9th Circuit has some interesting things to say about the “inverse ratio” rule that really brings out discussion from the past two weeks (see episodes 365 and 367). We know you’ll enjoy it!

After that, it’s time for the answer to #T3BE 170, which matched Thomas up against the dreaded REAL PROPERTY QUESTION. Can he slay the beast? Listen and find out!

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Show Notes & Links

  1. Check out the Central Florida Freethought Community
  2. We first took a “Stairway to the Supreme Court (?)” back in Episode 236 and then did a follow-up in Episode 288. Of course, we also covered Riehl and Rubin’s project in Episode 365 (“Every Melody Ever, Part 1”) and interviewed Riehl and Rubin themselves in Episode 367.
  3. Finally, you can read the recent en banc decision by the full 9th Circuit for yourself.

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